VISA denied: I am pissed off at my government
Well crap …
I just found out today that my Chinese girlfriend was refused a tourist visa to Canada. I really thought we had everything covered (strong ties to China, finances, etc.). I have only known her for a few months so maybe that is the real reason. She is not rich but she has significant money, a career, property, and a son in China so I really thought there was no reason to view her as a flight risk and that she would be considered a welcome visitor.
In reality, she does not even want to move to Canada (perhaps in 5 years or so when her son goes to University). I know that might not be so common but I believe her 100%.
So now she cannot meet my son, my family, my friends. Right or wrong, that is/was very important to me.
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Two things listed on the refusal form:
“You have not satisfied me that you would leave Canada at the end of your stay as a temporary resident.”
1. travel history (she has not travelled outside China)
2. “Purpose of Visit” which is for tourism and to visit with me
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So now what do I do? I don’t want to live in China full-time as I have a four year old son back in Canada. I don’t want to give up on her because although we are not engaged, she might be “the one” (i.e. the one that I want to grow old with). I am not certain enough to become engaged yet but was going to think about it after she came to Canada and met my son etc.
The intention was for her to travel to Canada for 30 days or so each year for the next two years and me to travel to China a few times this year and next. We didn’t plan beyond that. Now that idea is all f---ed up.
The only alternative that I can think of is for me to meet her in a visa friendly country for Chinese citizens but she will not get to experience Canada or meet my family and friends. Not the best idea but willing to entertain suggestions if someone has an idea.
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I am pissed off at my government. I have read cases of married people being refused visas.
I am certain that she is not a flight risk. Does that even really happen often? It must be a painful process to live without your own identity, social insurance number, healthcare, etc. (what is the point if you are not a citizen and half to work under the table for crappy wages).
1.8 Billion Chinese = a lot of fricken tourist dollars
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Permalink Reply by Back in the Nutsack on -
As long as you can convince them that you can afford your trip and will come back to China within set period, it won’t be difficult to get a tourist visa from developed countries.
I love the China vs. The Rest of the World approach...
You DO realize that all "developed countries" have different immigration rules, right? Go back a few pages, see the data I brought up: 12% of Chinese visa applications are rejected by the US Immigration.
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Permalink Reply by Wandering Cat on
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Checked the data. It was a result. I don't see it violates with my view. What are you implying to?
I DO realaize that all countries have different immigration rules. No matter what these rules are, the underlying is the same, if you will bring more benefits than problems to them. For my friends and I, we will go travelling and shopping there and do no harm to them with solid supporting documents and attitude. No matter what rules they have, in normal situation we would be in the ALLOW list. I guess everyone could win this trust, it won't be a diffult thing for him or her to get a visa. Actually, the data also supports my view. Take Hong Kong as an example, the refusal rate is low. Hong Kong people in general have a better reputation to do good but no harm to other countries.
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Permalink Reply by Lost in China on -
I am certain that she is not a flight risk. Does that even really happen often?
YOU are certsin, but that has no meaning. Immigration has doubts, thus their visa denial. And yes, it happens all the time!
Bad luck, you can try to apply again. 2nd time usually much better chance to get her visa.
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Permalink Reply by tim on -
as a fellow canuck i'll just throw in my 2 cents.
had a canadian buddy marry a chinese gal.. applied visa... REFUSED.. yes, don't assume that because you marry it'll make it easier..it makes immigration easier ya, but not necessarily a tourist visa.... in fact being married might infer an increased risk of flight to stay there with your hubby.
...and yet, i had a canadian friend take his chinese gf to canada last year..young single girl..no money.. no job..nothing.. yet she just breezed through the visa without even an interview.... they stayed the whole six months of the visa and then just extended it in canada for another six months..so she'll be there a full year before she heads back to china..
..so who knows how they're evaluating these things..
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Permalink Reply by PiG on -
Hi Zoinked
I hope you have chilled out a little now. Can I say that there are some good suggestions here but also some very dangerous ones.
Firstly what every she does do not deny that this has happened (e.g. get new passport to try hide the fact) and also remember she was not denied entry, rather she was denied a visa, both are completely different. It might be worth looking here http://www.immigrationboards.com it has a Canadian area. A UK second application that had conflicting information about marriage status resulted in a ban for up to 10 years. If she has been interviewed then keep the same stories, many things are kept on computer and may be available at second applications. Also keep copies of refusal letter, it explains to any othe country why the entry in the passport was made.
Remember applying for a visa is just like taking a driving test, you only have a short time to prove you are capable. I would bet that the application only had the bare minimum support documents, even from your own description she was tourist / friend visit. You need to make it clear that it is a visit to you period and she will stay with you. What was your invitation letter like? Did you mention the buzz words? Was the letter from her employer stating the requested information?
I had a quick look on the CN application site, I see no mention of supplying tickets (UK advise no before visa issue, Germany demands tickets), I would suggest you re-apply directly, show proof of tickets, where she will stay (assume with you in your house / rented flat). Use your invitation letter to include things like “good to hear Aunt x will look after son” etc. Go for a short time, 2-3 weeks and even consider you traveling back with her. The purpose of this is to recover the situation, forget thinking about any other trips for now
The main thing to show in the application is that she has ties and has to return.
Feel free to send me a private email if you wish, there are other points worth covering.
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Permalink Reply by xn on -
Send her on some cheap trips to Thailand, Malaysia, etc. Visa's to those places are very easy to get for Chinese and it will allow her to build up some travel history.
Also try to have someone else sponsor her. My gf has been to my home country numerous times, but I always ask someone less biased (than myself) to sponsor her.
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Permalink Reply by Zoinked on -
Update: Her tourist visa to the USA was also refused (it was prepared through a travel agent). I don't know the details.
I am going to try to convince her to do a tour of Southeast Asia with me at the end of this year or beginning of next year to get some foreign travel experience. It will also be an awesome adventure.
I think we did an okay job on the visa application to Canada. I will encourage her to keep trying each year and next year we will have a few changes. I am no longer bitter about it, just worried.
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Permalink Reply by 蛇口Jon on
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That sucks. US Consulate claims the rejection rate to Chinese nationals is now 20% or less. What's the matter. Can't she join a tour group?
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Permalink Reply by Profanipenguin on -
I am certain that she is not a flight risk. Does that even really happen often? It must be a painful process to live without your own identity, social insurance number, healthcare, etc. (what is the point if you are not a citizen and half to work under the table for crappy wages).
1.8 Billion Chinese = a lot of fricken tourist dollars
Point 1 - Of course it happens - even the shittiest jobs in Canada for illegals pay more than $2,500 a year - that's the average salary in China.
Point 2 - Don't make me laugh see the last few words of Point 1. A few mega-rich people does not make the Chinese big value tourist dollars just yet.
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